The Pope & Atrocity

[paul watts]

ATROCITY:
Hitler has been thoroughly condemned
by the world for murdering six million
Jews during the Second World War.
This holocaust is frequently talked about
even today, and many books have been
written on this subject condemning Hitler
and his associates.

THE GREATEST ATROCITY:
During the Dark Ages the Catholic
Church slaughtered over 150 million
Christians, and this atrocity is never
mentioned today!
The world has almost completely forgotten the many
millions of people who were burned
at the stake by the papacy because they
wanted to worship God according to the Bible.

FROM HISTORY:
A secular history book declares:
“That the Church of Rome has shed more
innocent blood than any other institution
that has ever existed among mankind,
will be questioned by no Protestant who
has a competent knowledge of history.”
— W. E. H. Lecky, History of the
Rise and Influence of the Spirit of
Rationalism in Europe.

THE PRESENT POPE'S CONNECTION:
His “Holiness” Pope Benedict XVI member of the Hitler Youth and as such an "associate" (and lackey) of Hitler is therefore responsible in part for The Holocaust, and as leader of the Roman Church he is answerable for the atrocities committed by this Church in the dark ages.

This connection ties together the atrocities committed by the Nazi in the twentieth century and the Roman Church in The Dark Ages.

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[JM]

yes there has been a lot of things done terribly in the name of religion

is that your point?

[paul watts]

Originally Posted by JM

yes there has been a lot of things done terribly in the name of religion

is that your point?

Hi JM,

My point is really the connection between the atrocities committed by the Roman Church in the dark ages (made darker by this Church) and those committed in Germany under Adolf Hitler. The connection to these atrocities is his "holiness" the Pope, leader of the Roman Church and as a member of the Hitler Youth also a former member of the Nazi Party.

The Roman Catholic Church has also alot to answer for regarding the rounding up of Jews in Catholic countries occupied by the Germans during WWII.

By the way I guess things are fine in the U.K. but I don't live there myself. I moved 25 years ago.
Denmark though is having similar problems to the rest of western Europe.

Have a merry Christmas.

Paul

[Gray]

Originally Posted by JM

yes there has been a lot of things done terribly in the name of religion

is that your point?

For what it's worth Jon, I'll go with this, rather than Paul's specific comments...

Yes, that pretty much sums it up.

We are often reminded of the atrocities commited by several well-known atheists - Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot (we know Hitler was a Catholic and maintained links to the church, so we'll leave him out). Although these men were atheists, very evil atheists, their crimes were not committed in the name of atheism.

And therein lies the difference.

[Commodore Angryy]

Originally Posted by paul watts

ATROCITY:

THE GREATEST ATROCITY:
During the Dark Ages the Catholic
Church slaughtered over 150 million
Christians, and this atrocity is never
mentioned today!
The world has almost completely forgotten the many
millions of people who were burned
at the stake by the papacy because they
wanted to worship God according to the Bible.


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Why is that the greatest atrocity? Does over 150 million Chinese dying under the reign of Mao Zedong not count anymore?

The Chinese, although murdered en masse by their own people, were indeed predominantly starved to death. Which, if you've ever starved to the brink of death, you will know that this is quite a slow, cruel torture.

So i must know, why was the Roman Empire's atrocity worse than that of China's?

Ps. I'm not actually saying that this isn't an absolutely horrible thing, i just want to know why it holds more prevalence to you personally.

[Clark Griswold]

Originally Posted by paul watts

ATROCITY:
Hitler has been thoroughly condemned
by the world for murdering six million
Jews during the Second World War.
This holocaust is frequently talked about
even today, and many books have been
written on this subject condemning Hitler
and his associates.

THE GREATEST ATROCITY:
During the Dark Ages the Catholic
Church slaughtered over 150 million
Christians, and this atrocity is never
mentioned today!
The world has almost completely forgotten the many
millions of people who were burned
at the stake by the papacy because they
wanted to worship God according to the Bible.

FROM HISTORY:
A secular history book declares:
“That the Church of Rome has shed more
innocent blood than any other institution
that has ever existed among mankind,
will be questioned by no Protestant who
has a competent knowledge of history.”
— W. E. H. Lecky, History of the
Rise and Influence of the Spirit of
Rationalism in Europe.

THE PRESENT POPE'S CONNECTION:
His “Holiness” Pope Benedict XVI member of the Hitler Youth and as such an "associate" (and lackey) of Hitler is therefore responsible in part for The Holocaust, and as leader of the Roman Church he is answerable for the atrocities committed by this Church in the dark ages.

This connection ties together the atrocities committed by the Nazi in the twentieth century and the Roman Church in The Dark Ages.

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For the sake of argument, how far back in your family tree would we have to go in order to find a rotter of one variety or another, Paul?
This anti-Catholic/Christianity post serves no purpose at all save to further prove that you have no regard for any faith/belief system other than the home made one you've devised.
You're a free man, so believe what you will, but this post is a real stretch to try to slam the Pope etc.
Here's a news flash for you also.
How many kids who participated in the "Hitler youth" program were forced into it by their parents, and how many had even a hint of what Hitler's "Final Solution" was all about?

[Clark Griswold]

Originally Posted by Gray

For what it's worth Jon, I'll go with this, rather than Paul's specific comments...

Yes, that pretty much sums it up.

We are often reminded of the atrocities commited by several well-known atheists - Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot (we know Hitler was a Catholic and maintained links to the church, so we'll leave him out). Although these men were atheists, very evil atheists, their crimes were not committed in the name of atheism.

And therein lies the difference.

So, none of these dictators harmed Christians of various stripes or any other people who subscribed to "the opiate of the masses"?

"Freeing" people FROM religion never resulted in persecutions including false imprisonment, the seizing of personal land and property, and even death?
That's news to me.

[Mike_B]

I think its safe to say that your post is quite lame my friend.


Especially because the kids were near enough forced into the Hitler Youth, and Hitlers objectives were at times painted over, especially to the children.

And i think that the Pope has already apologised for it, for all men have fallen short of the glory of God.


I am english, it does not mean i support everything that my government promotes, infact i support very little that my government promotes.

It does not make ME responsible for the war in iraq.

Grow up.

[JM]

Originally Posted by Clark Griswold

For the sake of argument, how far back in your family tree would we have to go in order to find a rotter of one variety or another, Paul?
This anti-Catholic/Christianity post serves no purpose at all save to further prove that you have no regard for any faith/belief system other than the home made one you've devised.
You're a free man, so believe what you will, but this post is a real stretch to try to slam the Pope etc.
Here's a news flash for you also.
How many kids who participated in the "Hitler youth" program were forced into it by their parents, and how many had even a hint of what Hitler's "Final Solution" was all about?

Yeah exactly, its all relative

[Someday]

I have to wonder where these numbers come from. I can't find a credible source for numbers anywhere near that high for how many people were killed by the Church directly. I think if you do the math, you will come to see, these numbers are improbable.
There have been atrocities done by the Church, without a doubt. In that day and age, the secular court system was just as atrocious. I would not excuse either. Protestants are quick to point out the persecutions of the Roman Catholic Church, without pointing out that protestants burned more witches than any other branch of Christianity. Pagans who are angry at the Christians forget that pagans hunted down Christians until the tables were turned. Muslims remember the crusades, but forget that most Muslim lands were conquered from Christians. Secularists point out the evils of religion, not seeing what secularist governments have also committed over the course of history.
I believe absolute power usually corrupts. This fact is bore out by history. Whether absolute power is in the hands of an atheist or a theist seems irrelevant. Theocracies, Monarchies, and secular governments have all shown what sort of evil is possible when there are no checks and balances in place to curb such acts of barbarism. Even when these acts are done in the name of the greater good, the result is still evil.

Blessings