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NCANGLE you said

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" Peter,
The first revelation about sin involved Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. God told them not to do something, they did it anyway, that was sin.

Thats the biblical view or myth depending on a persons belief in the bible, its not a fact

The sin was disobeying God or not believing something He has said OR possibly simply pride that they knew better than God. They reasoned, and reasoned... didn't God say we could eat of every tree? Why not this one? What possible harm could there be in eating this fruit when all the others have been ok?

A continuation of the view of the bible / and myth
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This thread has given me some food for thought. Over the weekend I watched the movie Mr. Brooks. It's about a man addicted to murder (their description, not mine). I do think in some ways that sin is an addictive thing as well as being part of our nature or DNA perhaps.

Sin which only exists to those who think it exists... is not what causes the addiction. Choice does.


I've been tossing some of these thoughts around so I may not be good at verbalizing this, but I'll give it a shot. *ramble, ramble*

Have you ever repotted a plant or pulled one out of the earth to find that the plant's root system was so hair-like and immense that every little particle of soil had roots wrapped around it? That's how I am visualizing how completely sin encapsulates our inner being, how much it controls us, our behavior and our thoughts so thoroughly and completely that we are essentially blind to it's affects most of the time!

Oh man have you been spoon fed some stories and myths, it Controls you because you believe it controls you. It encapsulates you because you believe it encapsulates you. As a man thinketh... fill in the gaps.

The Bible teaches that sin passed down to all mankind from Adam like something genetic.

yes the Bible teaches that..and in turn man does. but God doesnt big difference!

I suspect that as different kinds of sins arose, the sin nature multiplied within man, and grew and grew. The roots became deeper and more pervasive.

Not suspect, you mean.. what you have been taught

Going back to the addiction aspect of it, how is it when someone is addicted to sex or drugs or ____fill in the blank____, that they can't identify the addiction until they have sometimes absolutely screwed up their life?

Actually there is a lot of people who can identify an addiction, you just think because they dont do something about it, they didnt identify it. Again more assumptions to validate your initial idea.

Even then, they can't stop what they are doing.

Actually they can. It is a case of providing the right conditions. Many a time a person has stopped smoking immediately when told they will die if they continue by their doctor.

Its a choice, and the battle is in the mind of what a person beliefs


In the movie, Mr. Brooks got such a "high" from murder--but why not murder? Why would it have to be a substance? I can totally see the similarity to being addicted to murder the same as one being addicted to sex or any thing else, it's a chemical response -- an exhilaration.

To me, that is when the particular sin has you by the throat, tentacles firmly in place. It is master, you are slave.

Its an illusion that a person is a slave. A good example of what Religion has done with the use of sin is, create a story that holds them a slave.. a bit like Elephant training... when they are young they tie them with a large chain, when they try to move, they get hurt, over time as they grow they change this more and more until nothing more than a small rope is attached around their ankle.. the Elephant is so entrenched in thinking that to run, means pain, they dont even bother, they dont even entertain the thought.

Same in Church and relgions today... Young ones come in and are given a story that forms a BELIEF which is nothing more than illusion

Those who question the belief realize its an illusion and break free and realize it for what it is. A Belief, and illusion nothing more.

"Wretched man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!""

A man is not wretched, they are Wonderful and their body is wonderful.

They dont need rescuing as they were never separated