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Originally Posted by Someday
Jon,
I think cause and effect is a Truth that has been taught universally for a very long time. Hinduism and Buddhism speak of Karma. It's central to the universe. Cause and effect is the core of everything. Jews also made extensive use of cause and effect through administration of the Law and the teachings of reaping what you sow. These are definitely Truths. I don't think anyone can effectively deny this.
Grace, on the other hand, is believing that God is not part of this cause and effect cycle. Grace is God extending His love to the most wretched and vile (by human standards) people. Grace is really what you are talking about when you say "God does not punish anyone for sin is because their never was Sin to begin with, or seperation and God has no Need"
Jesus atonement was set forth to end the cycle of cause and effect, something man lived by in this world since the beginning. Adam lived through Grace originally. Then he fell........from Grace. Not because God rejected him, Adam chose to live by Karma, to experience the knowledge of good and evil, to be refined in the fires of trial.
Grace has always been there, and ever will be. Christ is a reminder, and His atonement fulfilled any requirement man thought they had towards God. Christ is the tree of life and the shepherd who shall bring His flock home again, to show us the way back to accepting Grace as it was in the beginning.
Blessings
Blessings
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No grace is not what im talking about here. Your still thinking in terms of Christian teaching on.. God extending Grace but given the right circumstances God will not extend Grace because God must be kept appeased.
Christians think the Cross was an atonement and thats fine.. they will continue to experience in this life that reality
But that is only one view of the death of Jesus, it plays into the story of Sinful man, Man Seperated from God and so on and so on on...
The Seed that has been planted makes sense when your looking at the seed packets text
But it plays into the assumption that this was the Original seeds given by God and obviously its going to show God as sorting out his own problem of seperating man because God was unable to forgive them their and then. It plays into the God of need which is the illusion upon all the other ones are based.
So if a person was looking for an explanation of what Christianity teaches.. someday you have given it, but if a person is searching for what is Truth.. they will need to dig a little deeper beyond the stories