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No grace is not what im talking about here. Your still thinking in terms of Christian teaching on.. God extending Grace but given the right circumstances God will not extend Grace because God must be kept appeased.
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No Jon. You are interpreting Grace as a fundamentalist Christian does. I didn't say anything about God being kept appeased. I am not a fundamentalist. The principle of Grace is that God is not hung up on our weaknesses, we are. God requires nothing, we only believe He does.
I have to refer you back to the Garden Parable again. God did not ever care that Adam and Eve were naked, yet they hid in shame. They imagined their own sin. They lived in the Grace of God, yet they put blinders on and artificially hid themselves fruitlessly from God. The illusion of separation is our doing, the illusion of sinning against God is our construct.
Why won't you let me agree with you Jon? Is it because I refer to ancient stories that have illustrated these things already? Is it because you dislike my terminology? Is it because you reject everything you think links you to your past beliefs about the Bible?
Is it bothersome that in the last 20 years of studying the Bible, my conclusions of what the Bible is ultimately saying somewhat coincide with what you began to believe AFTER you rejected the Bible? I don't get it.
I think you misinterpret what I said maybe? I never said God needed atonement. God has always forgiven us. It is we who need to forgive ourselves. Christ crucified give US the ability to forgive ourselves without this endless cycle of atonement and sacrifice.
Blessings