One God one religion!

[JM]

Originally Posted by The servant

Have you watched the new cartoon about Horton the elephant, the kangaroo reminded me of you, when it said what you cant see, feel, or hear does not exist!

Regards Peter

Peter i dont wish to take sides here and I saw that movie and I get what your trying to say to mycernius

But lets face it.. the Mayor did finally show through evidence that their was a voice by using that trumpet thing and having the elephant speak through it.

Also... for the kangaroo to hear.. ultimately all the people of HOO had to speak up loud enough.. then and only then did the kangaroo and all the other people who also didnt believe..

began to believe.

Its not wrong for people to want some form of evidence beyond.. " Because I told you, or because the bible says so "

[JM]

Originally Posted by The servant

Now you are talking about religions! I do not follow all the teachings of these interpretations from the cults; I thought you would have understood that of my ideals by now!

Regards Peter

Your conflicting with what you said in your original post

You said " As I believe that those who believe in the one God there should be only one religion "

If you dont follow a religious practise... then why would you want ONE religion

[Someday]

I do not believe that the truth is taught in the churches

On this you and I agree...... On this, I think everyone that posted on this thread would agree.

Blessings

[Mycernius]

Originally Posted by The servant

Now you are talking about religions! I do not follow all the teachings of these interpretations from the cults; I thought you would have understood that of my ideals by now!

Regards Peter

No, you follow what a Abd-Ru-Shin wrote in The Grail message. Smells a bit cultish to me.
Your ideals are that of a sheep. Yet again you fail to impress with no EVIDENCE. I say again your claims are baseless, all based upon yet anothers interpretation of the bible. It is as factual as all the others who claim to have the real message of the bible. Might as well except that The Lord of the Rings is fact (and there are people who believe so)

[JM]

Originally Posted by Someday

On this you and I agree...... On this, I think everyone that posted on this thread would agree.

Blessings

That conflicts with what you said about Truth being found in the bible Someday on this thread and post Trust in God vs Trust in Man

As much as I dont agree with todays teaching on Church...

Lets keep it balanced.. There is both possibly truth and not truth taught and found everywhere. In and out of Church Gatherings

[JM]

Originally Posted by Mycernius

No, you follow what a Abd-Ru-Shin wrote in The Grail message. Smells a bit cultish to me.
Your ideals are that of a sheep. Yet again you fail to impress with no EVIDENCE. I say again your claims are baseless, all based upon yet anothers interpretation of the bible. It is as factual as all the others who claim to have the real message of the bible. Might as well except that The Lord of the Rings is fact (and there are people who believe so)

For now I agree with you here Mycernius.

Servant ( peter ) to claim what you have learned is the Over riding Truth, is no different to todays christians who hold to the common teachings

Now if someone is able to DEMONSTRATE or SHOW in some way that is undeniable that their TRUTH is true.... then great otherwise it remains as only TRUTH for that person

[friendly hardline atheist]

Hi Jon,

You keep surprising me.

Originally Posted by JM

Now if someone is able to DEMONSTRATE or SHOW in some way that is undeniable that their TRUTH is true.... then great otherwise it remains as only TRUTH for that person

Some time ago, after you had made a few posts critical of people accepting the bible as inerrant, an atheist other than me asked if you were losing faith. You replied you were still a Christian. Now I see you making a post about demonstrable things as a basis for truth. So I wonder: is that another step in the evolution of your beliefs, evolution which, if it is that, is another small step away from what many (most?) Christians think?

greets,
Peter

[JM]

Originally Posted by friendly hardline atheist

Hi Jon,

You keep surprising me.



Some time ago, after you had made a few posts critical of people accepting the bible as inerrant, an atheist other than me asked if you were losing faith. You replied you were still a Christian. Now I see you making a post about demonstrable things as a basis for truth. So I wonder: is that another step in the evolution of your beliefs, evolution which, if it is that, is another small step away from what many (most?) Christians think?

greets,
Peter

Well Peter,

Certainly I dont hold to the same ideology as various christians groups

yet lets also bear in mind....

Today the term " Christian" or " Christians " is so varied that ... where as one person may say.. You think differently to

Christian GROUP A over there..

another person could say.. You think very similar to

Christian GROUP B over there.

Who is the real CHRISTIAN? GROUP A or GROUP B?

Does it Matter to GOD?
How do you know it matters to GOD?
Why does it matter to GOD?

Some may say.. well its not according to GROUP A or GROUP B.. its according to the bible and what it tells us about what a christian is...

And there lies the Dilemma...

No one agrees on just one thing.. There are various views, because their are various Interpretations

[The servant]

Originally Posted by JM

For now I agree with you here Mycernius.

Servant ( peter ) to claim what you have learned is the Over riding Truth, is no different to todays christians who hold to the common teachings

Now if someone is able to DEMONSTRATE or SHOW in some way that is undeniable that their TRUTH is true.... then great otherwise it remains as only TRUTH for that person

Let me try it another way if you were incarnated on the earth the same time as Jesus the Son of God, I am not referring to the people that do not accept He is the Son of God as I have no wish to waste too much breath on these now they must come to recognition in their own time, If ever?
And as some of the disciples and possibly others in his immediate surroundings at that time did recognise Him as whom He was, the Son of God, by His teachings He gave us, which I believe He came to do, hence also the second part of the Bible by the ones who came to recognition.

Although I still stand by my words that much that was put down from the memory of these a long time after the murder of Jesus the Son of God, was replaced where it was forgotten, therefore the true sense of the words given us by Jesus has lost a lot of its lustre, and the way it was intended, again a second pen and so on.

When many read the Bible and recognise God in His works, how many can prove that these words are the Words of God or that God exist to them by reading this Book?
It comes from intuition not from intellect, housed in the frontal brain!

Can you please put these feeling in words here or show me proof of what you feel, so when others ask me, I can tell them also, that this is the proof that so many ask for and at last we have someone here who can show us! I do not think so, yet I am continually asked for some proof by the very people who cannot give me any!

Have you ever heard of the age old saying the proof of the pudding is in the eating, how many people can quote from the Bible without reading it, or say what they feel even when they have read the Bible, yet I am supposed to put my feelings down here as proof, I find this impossible, try reading the Book I read, if you are graced with the privilege as I am to understand some of it, you also would find as I have said with the Bible, it seems the greatest critics are the ones who have not read it, or who have and do not or can not bring it to life within themselves, so they criticize others who draw so much from the words of Life, who draw so much where they find nothing.

We are not talking of Harry potter books that like so many others just stimulate the intellect; we are talking of words that give the water of life to our spirits and bring to life the ingrain longing of recognition of God, our Creator.

Many here possibly think that upon death all ends, so then what is the beyond, the beyond is what is beyond our earthly senses, the eyes the ears our sight, and the earthly aids, we use such as microscopes, etc.

As I have said what some cannot see feel or hear, (as in the film) do not believe, so for fear of being wrong, they reject any thing new out of hand that some can accept so readily, I believe that many of these are tools of the darkness, but I also believe that we should look for the faults in others and try to help them to overcome them.
With this I fail miserably, as when a person mocks our Creator I often feel anger and disgust, although I do know the words “Let Judgment be Mine Sayeth The Lord” I believe in the law of Just returns, but to know something and to live it is very different, as I have said to others I could talk about money all day and make none!

I do not come here to argue, and I am told not to compare my faith with other religions which I try now not to, I only lead to the water of Life, God is the only real Life there is we are just formed from His Radiations.

Peace and Light

Peter
The servant

[The servant]

Originally Posted by friendly hardline atheist

Hi Jon,

You keep surprising me.



Some time ago, after you had made a few posts critical of people accepting the bible as inerrant, an atheist other than me asked if you were losing faith. You replied you were still a Christian. Now I see you making a post about demonstrable things as a basis for truth. So I wonder: is that another step in the evolution of your beliefs, evolution which, if it is that, is another small step away from what many (most?) Christians think?

greets,
Peter

"Now if someone is able to DEMONSTRATE or SHOW in some way that is undeniable that their TRUTH is true.... then great otherwise it remains as only TRUTH for that person"



This is how I percieve truth!
Regards Peter



Question: What is Truth?

Answer: Truth is the Eternal-Unchangeable! Which never changes in its form, but is as it has been eternally and will ever remain, as it is now. Which can therefore never be subjected to any development either, because it has been perfect from the very beginning. Truth is real, it is “being”! Only being is true life. The entire Universe is “supported” by this Truth! –

Therefore only that which issues from the Truth is really living; everything else is subject to transformation through death. For this reason only that which issues from the Truth will alone continue to exist, and everything else will perish. Finally nothing will remain in existence but the Word of the Lord, which issues from the Light and from the Truth, and can only be brought by Messengers of God, who themselves stand in the Light and the Truth, who are thus really alive within themselves. No human spirit, no spirit in the beyond, is in a position to do this. There is no possibility whatsoever for it to do so. For this reason those things thought out by the human mind and recognised by the human spirit can never bear genuine life within them. They remain theories and recognitions, which lack the power of the Living Truth.

To awaken to life through the Word means: To awaken to the recognition of the Truth! As a sleeping person can be awakened to the day, so one who is spiritually dead is awakened to the recognition of the Truth through the Living Word. However, just as he who has been awakened from sleep to the day can never become the day itself, so also the one awakened from spiritual death to the Living Truth will not himself as the same time thereby become Life! He will only have his eyes opened for the recognition of this Life. He can never himself become Life or Truth, but only wander on their paths! He becomes one raised from the dead.

Here, too, the Word of Christ is also to be applied: “Let the dead bury the dead!” That means: Let the many people who wish to be leaders and teachers go on teaching those who absolutely want to listen to them, and who thus systematically close themselves to the Living Word. Let these dead leaders with their dead words quietly bury their deadlisteners for ever, and therewith exclude them from the possibility of an awakening, But you who are seriously seeking, do not listen to these!

This applies not only to the many sects and societies, but also to the false dogmas of all the reat religions. At present no congregation follows the actual true path. Neither zeal nor enthusiasm will help to put right the signposts which, through human cleverness, have often been quite wrongly placed on the right path. Whoever trusts in them will never reach the goal, even with the best inner abilities.

Every one who genuinely exerts himself for it will discover the meaning of what has thereby been said. However, it requires deep reflection, selfless searching. Such is not for those who think they already know, or for superficiality!