Bible as word of God

[Mycernius]

Originally Posted by God_Chaser_007

Aagh yes, it is the same question since the Garden of Eden … Hath God said?, Could this truly be the Word of God? Here is the doubt that first caused man to become separated from God.

To many the bible is nothing more than the logos word; the Bible is just another book with stories and possibly historical accounts, if you believe that.



For me, the bible is where I can see how God works in principles. It also gives me an opportunity to see Him for who He is, it allows me to draw closer to Him.

Just my 2 pennies ...

GC

Oh great. proof of the bible is the word of God is written in the bible. Bit of a dead end really. If you want to say something is the word of God then put it in the Bible, that way blind believers will accept it, even though it has been added by someone. A bit like accepting that Joseph Smith really met with the angel Moroni because he said so, Mohammad was forced to recite by Gabriel because he said so and Moses saying God told him to write the ten commandment because he says so.
If the bible is the word of God then the Qur'an is the word of Allah, The Vedic scripts are the word of Brahma and the Book of Mormon is also the word of God. Can't have it one way for your religion and another for all others.

[God_Chaser_007]

Originally Posted by JM

You said " To many the bible is nothing more than the logos word; the Bible is just another book with stories and possibly historical accounts, if you believe that. "

The Bible is whatever you believe it to be.. nothing more and nothing less than any other literary work produced concerning mans interaction with God.


You said " For me, the bible is where I can see how God works in principles. It also gives me an opportunity to see Him for who He is, it allows me to draw closer to Him "

Well I guess before the Bible came into existence man was just walking around in a blind stupor then.. I guess David, Moses, and Abraham were just lucky ... honestly GOD is not confined or defined by the BIBLE...

All that God is, can be seen clearly enough WITHOUT the bible

As for it allowing you to draw closer to him, thats cool an all and I have no beef with that... yet I will say that You cant get closer to that which is already in you, on you , with you and around you.

The whole.. im close today.. not close today.. im pleasing today, im not pleasing today is because of the theology of separation and reward /punishment being taught today in church gatherings.

Wow Jon, you really read waaay too much into my small and insignificant thoughts. I highlighted what you said in red ... exactly my point. The bible is exactly what it is to you, either a book of some sorts or more.

I don't believe God is confined to a bible, and yes I know the likes of David, Moses etc had what we should have, that is a personal relationship. Like I said the bible shows me what he has done in the past in certain situations etc.

GC

[God_Chaser_007]

Originally Posted by Mycernius

Oh great. proof of the bible is the word of God is written in the bible. Bit of a dead end really. If you want to say something is the word of God then put it in the Bible, that way blind believers will accept it, even though it has been added by someone. A bit like accepting that Joseph Smith really met with the angel Moroni because he said so, Mohammad was forced to recite by Gabriel because he said so and Moses saying God told him to write the ten commandment because he says so.
If the bible is the word of God then the Qur'an is the word of Allah, The Vedic scripts are the word of Brahma and the Book of Mormon is also the word of God. Can't have it one way for your religion and another for all others.

Yeah, I know what your saying ... If we really wanted to we could create a whole new religion based on the prophesy's taken from Battlestar Galactica or from Star Trek Deep Space Nine too ... only if we really wanted too ... But I suppose for me I am happy and content with just believing in Him and reading the bible as His Word. I know, nothing but a blind believer ... sheesh, we still have those around what more can I say, I don't read too much else other than the bible ... sad - I know.

[JM]

Originally Posted by God_Chaser_007

Yeah, I know what your saying ... If we really wanted to we could create a whole new religion based on the prophesy's taken from Battlestar Galactica or from Star Trek Deep Space Nine too ... only if we really wanted too ... But I suppose for me I am happy and content with just believing in Him and reading the bible as His Word. I know, nothing but a blind believer ... sheesh, we still have those around what more can I say, I don't read too much else other than the bible ... sad - I know.

The bible has many principles and words of wisdom as many other books do

To me though what is sad ( and im not saying in your case chase ) is when the bible is taken as the only source and only standard by which God and mans position with God is defined. The only authoritative text and final say

[friendly hardline atheist]

Hello God_Chaser_007,

Originally Posted by God_Chaser_007

Yeah, I know what your saying ... If we really wanted to we could create a whole new religion based on the prophesy's taken from Battlestar Galactica or from Star Trek Deep Space Nine too ... only if we really wanted too ...

Some wanted to do so and have done so. Not with Star Trek, but its closely related sci-fi sibling, Star Wars. The 'Jedi knights' who feel 'The Force' etc have been turned into a religion in the UK. Star Wars fans gathered up enough signatures to gain official recognition. Fortunately, I don't know of any real believers.

More worryingly, there is Scientology, brain child of sci-fi writer L. Ron Hubbard. He used some of his own previous work to come up with the idea that life on earth was planted here by aliens and that creating the earth in its present form involved some Galactic Overlord setting off nuclear bombs in volcanoes. And unfortunately Scientology does have several million followers who live very much the cult life, cutting off all contact to friends and family, letting themselves be sucked dry of every penny they earn etc.

And then of course there is my favourite recently created and satirical religion, Pastafarianism, the belief that the whole universe was created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster in another one of his bouts of drunkenness. The theory that life on earth is the product of that Unintelligent Design surely deserves time in science classrooms alongside young earth creationism and evolution!

greets,
Peter

[Mycernius]

Peter you aren't spelling $cientology correctly. Remember $cientology not scientology. The correct spelling shows it to be what it really is.

[Commodore Angryy]

Originally Posted by Mycernius

Peter you aren't spelling $cientology correctly. Remember $cientology not scientology. The correct spelling shows it to be what it really is.

If only there were a way to incorporate a tombstone into the word $cientology. sigh.

[friendly hardline atheist]

Hi Mycernius, Commodore,

Mycernius, I take the point about $cientology.

Commodore, what are you doing here?! Why aren't you on honeymoon (see the 'lie about the person above you' thread).

greets,
Peter

[Sazzy]

You still writing that bollox?

[friendly hardline atheist]

Originally Posted by Sazzy

You still writing that bollox?

Oh yes, I'm full of rubbish! I won't run out of that any time soon.