Hell!

[The servant]

Let me put here how I perceive hell, Hell is formed by man out of his volitions for what is wrong, as for the eternal suffering in these lower regions that we have formed, I believe that only in the knowledge of the wrong we do, be it to others or whatever, it is in recognition of this suffering and wrong that we receive back the same or similar, we can be forgiven, as many have to suffer the deeds the same as they have perpetrated on others, and the recognition of this wrong by suffering the same, and in recognition of the wrong can they receive forgiveness.
Was it not said “Love thy neighbor as thyself” or you reap what you sow, all this to my mind points to “Karma” or more simply the returning threads of our deeds be them good or evil, surely many will remember the words of Jesus the Son of God in when He was arrested, and Peter cut of a persons ear, and he was told “You live by the sword you die by the sword” or similar words, in other word you will reap what you sow, not may! But will!

As I believe that as we form on the ethereal levels, with thought word and deed, so we also form on the darker lower levels of Creation, and it is in these lower levels that hopefully many come to recognition of their wrong deeds, as no one can rise to the more luminous gardens closer to God with one grain of dirt on them.
Our time here on earth is very precious as we can throw of so many threads here that is harder or impossible on some other levels, I also believe that every thing returns to it origin, as above so below, with this I refer to the realms of paradise, as the higher, and earth and the lower.
I also believe that if we do not throw of our faults within a designated time, we must also return to our origin, “Paradise” but only as we left it as unconscious spirit germs, this is “perdition” which I also believe that Jesus the Son of God came to help prevent.
However the recognition of His path is wrongly taken by so many, which became the barrier to the more Luminous heights for them, by there false ideas and opinions!

“Thus Jesus came for the sake of mankind and their sins!”……………………………………………..

“From Jesus, who had become the earthly foothold of the Light, rays penetrated the darkness through the Living word which brought the Truth. He could transmit this Truth unblemished as He Himself was the Word and the Truth.
People were aroused from their spiritual lethargy through the miracles that happened simultaneously.
In following these up they came upon the Word. Hearing the Truth that Jesus brought and reflecting upon it, there gradually awakened in hundreds of thousands the wish to follow this Truth and know more about it.

By doing so they slowly strove towards the Light.”………………………………………………………………………

And this was the work of redemption of the Son of God, Jesus, the Bringer of Light and Truth!............................................ ............................

The Inner struggle in Gethsemane was sharp but short! Jesus did not shun physical death, but calmly faced it for the sake of the truth He brought. With His blood on the cross He put the seal on all He had said and lived………………………………….

Thus Jesus died for the sake of humanity’s sins! If mankind had not sinned, nor turned away from God by limiting themselves through the intellect, then Jesus could have spared Himself His coming as well as His path of suffering and His crucifixion. There fore it is quite right to say: “On account of our sins Jesus came suffered and died on the Cross!”
But this does not mean you do not have to redeem your own sins yourselves!
It is only that now it is easy for you, because by bringing the Truth Jesus has shown you the way in His Words.

Peace and Light Peter

[JM]

Bloody hell Peter you are confusing mate

Where an earth are you coming up with these names

Ethereal

Sounds like an alternative for the word Consciousness, the level of Consciousness

And Levels... What makes you think they are Levels and not just one and the same i.e Material and Non material both working at the same time

[JM]

Also what is all this talk of

" no one can rise to the more luminous gardens closer to God with one grain of dirt on them."

Peter this whole talk of Closer is another form of thought that stems from the idea of Seperation.

If a person thinks they are seperated from God, then of course they will entertain thoughts of closer and talk about being and feeling

Far and Close

But its contradictory to Who God is also referred to... Omnipresent and Everything.

God is Everywhere and Everything the very GLUE which is in between the HERE and THERE, the SEEN and the Unseen, the Bright and the Darkness.. Darkness is just another degree of Light itself, its not the absence of light, though our eyes and brains process it using the usual form of Comparison.. for something to be something there must the opposite.

Yet from this.. people have concluded..

Light is Good
Dark is Bad
Light is God
Dark is Devil
Light is Holy
Dark is Sin
Light is Good
Dark is Evil

This is a primitive way of looking at it but.... its what has been done.

It is us, that labels " What is " or " The I AM "

You dont get close to God, God doesnt get close to you, as there is no seperation.. yet I can see how they could be thought that way if God is Less than Who Religions Claim God to be.

Everything and Everywhere

[The servant]

Originally Posted by JM

Bloody hell Peter you are confusing mate
I do apologise about being confusing, this is where with no disrespect I mention the jigsaw so many times, without the knowledge of all the pieces (part of the pictures) it is difficult to form a proper picture.

Where an earth are you coming up with these names

Ethereal

Sounds like an alternative for the word Consciousness, the level of Consciousness

I believe the ethereal level in Creation to be one of the levels we can attain to when we leave the earth; once again I quote the words, “My Father has many mansions” which I call levels. How do you see these words of the Son of God?

Originally Posted by JM

And Levels... What makes you think they are Levels and not just one and the same i.e Material and Non material both working at the same time

They are I believe as you say, material and non material, both working at the same time each one affects the other, what is formed on the earth, is also formed on the ethereal, the beyond.
The beyond is only what is beyond the capability’s to see with the earthly organs and earthly instruments we have to see!

I believe that a perfect example of the ethereal is in the New Testament when in so many words, when Peter said that Jesus was the Son of God, the Messiah, and Jesus said to Peter you are the rock.
This referred to Peter being the first to recognise Jesus as the Son of God, and the reference was to the rock as being the first ,the foundation stone for all others, who later recognised Jesus as the Son of God, but Peter was the first!
Also the reference was to the key, again the first to open the door to the ethereal, to which many have since followed.

Regards Peter

[JM]

OK lets go along with this for a moment

So you are of the mind that beyond creation, Beyond the death of the body is what you or someone taught you is called

The Ethereal

Tell me about this place..

What is it?
Who is there?
What goes on there?
Is there an entry fee
Who isnt there?
Why arent they there?

If you conclude or ascribe to a belief that when Jesus was speaking of Mansions, he was speaking of levels..

What led you to that idea?, and what makes you think a Mansion is a level that a person lives in or passes through

Its interesting stuff..