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Old 08-07-2007, 01:13 PM
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Do you honestly think Azusa Street birthed Pentecostalism??? The Church of God (Cleveland) Started in 1886. Charles Parham (Seymour's teacher) saw tongues manifest at the stroke of midnight 1901 in Topeka KS. I have showed you coutless other examples of tongues throughout church history. If you choose to deny it fine, but it is obvious you need to do some more research before you start blasting something you know so little about.
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Old 08-07-2007, 03:45 PM
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Do you honestly think Azusa Street birthed Pentecostalism??? The Church of God (Cleveland) Started in 1886. Charles Parham (Seymour's teacher) saw tongues manifest at the stroke of midnight 1901 in Topeka KS. I have showed you coutless other examples of tongues throughout church history. If you choose to deny it fine, but it is obvious you need to do some more research before you start blasting something you know so little about.
Humble Pie, I'm sorry that you've chosen to ignore my previous post that addressed those 'countless examples' of tongue-speaking throughout church history' that you mentioned. It really IS a waste of time, effort, brains, and scriptural know-how.

So, I'll await those texts or even 'a' text that gives just ONE example of the spontaneity of 'gifts' from the Holy Spirit.
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Old 08-07-2007, 03:47 PM
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Is there ANY ONE who can point me to a scripture that states that, one moment an individual has no particular ability (gift), the next moment that individual has a SPECIFIC ability (gift) ...?

The Azusa Street experience and the Movement of Pentecostalism that followed rises or falls on such a scripture or the lack of.

ANYONE?

1. Cor. 12: 1 - 11: a list of gifts of the Spirit, finishing off with "distributing to each one individually as He wills".

so: all it takes is for the Spirit to will it, and one moment a gift isnīt there, and the next it is.
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Old 08-07-2007, 04:31 PM
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And building on Christa's post, the word used for manifestation in 1 Cor 12:7 is φανερωσις (phanerōsis) which suggests a temporary bestowment, not a resident type gift or office...
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Old 08-07-2007, 04:44 PM
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And building on Christa's post, the word used for manifestation in 1 Cor 12:7 is φανερωσις (phanerōsis) which suggests a temporary bestowment, not a resident type gift or office...
The definition is 'bestowment', HP. The word 'temporary' is missing from Strong's Lexicon.
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Old 08-07-2007, 07:25 PM
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Trekker, with all due respect, if Strong's is all you use, I would HIGHLY recommend getting more scholarly lexicons...
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Old 08-08-2007, 12:32 AM
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1. Cor. 12: 1 - 11: a list of gifts of the Spirit, finishing off with "distributing to each one individually as He wills".

so: all it takes is for the Spirit to will it, and one moment a gift isnīt there, and the next it is.
Oh my. Tell me ...where does one obtain those elastic Bibles ...?
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Old 08-08-2007, 12:36 AM
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Trekker, with all due respect, if Strong's is all you use, I would HIGHLY recommend getting more scholarly lexicons...

Surely you're not telling me that the Pentecostals have their own lexicons that are especially slanted to accommodate their questionable practices, are you?
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Old 08-08-2007, 05:22 AM
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Surely you're not telling me that the Pentecostals have their own lexicons that are especially slanted to accommodate their questionable practices, are you?


Of course not Trek. They wouldn't do that, would they?

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Old 08-08-2007, 05:26 AM
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Surely you're not telling me that the Pentecostals have their own lexicons that are especially slanted to accommodate their questionable practices, are you?

Trek I really did think your education was a bit higher to understand what he was saying, but you brought your sarcasm along with Rad lad out again. I wonder why?
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