Morality, again...

[kmisho]

A fine discussion. I will only add some comments about this:

To the theist, moral objectivity usually means that certain actions are right or wrong independent of human opinion. Not just that certain things are wrong today but ok 50 yrs ago or what have you, but they are wrong now, and always were wrong, and ever shall be wrong. They are wrong even if we do not have the knowledge that they are wrong.

This places too high a burden on objectivity. If I apply this notion of objectivity outside the moral sphere, I find that nearly nothing is objective.

I understand that yours is the normal view when discussing moral absolutes. My point is that this is very simply an error about what "objective" means. You are talking about permanence, not objectivity.

[Someday]

Indeed, this is true from your perspective. You are using "objective" in a different sense than most theists. I would suggest that you and whomever you are debating discuss the definition of "objective" and then define what is meant by "objective morality" and pick up the debate from there. Otherwise, you may end up arguing semantics instead of making your points.


Blessings

[JM]

Originally Posted by Someday

Fair enough I guess. What is your proof there is no real separation from God?

Blessings

Ah so now you are questioning the idea of there being No seperation from God

Well it starts by asking the question

Who is God, What is God?

Who are we, What are we?

Who is life, what is life?

I am asking you and others to explore what has been taught to them about the above.

I am not asking you to agree with them, yet lets be clear here

Its not people who dont believe in God or people who dont go around telling others what is Gods Rules that are in the position of needing to Prove anything.

It is the postive argument that must provide that if they are wanting others to accept what they believe is Absolute for EVERYONE

key here is " For everyone "

Most people who do not believe that God is seperate, do not spend their time telling others that THEY MUST, SHOULD or OUGHT to believe

Christianity advocates the.. let me step over the line and tell everyone what is SO about God mentality.

So people stand back and say ok.. Why is that?

They then refer to scripture..

Then those standing back .. say hold on a moment their are some contradictions in what you are saying

Christianity says.. Where?

Those standing back say..

You say God is everything, God is the all in all, God is everywhere

Yet in the same sentence you contradict yourself and say

God is only with those who believe, God is less than everything, God is only where God choices to be and the STUFF that is not where God is.. is not God

Yet science has proved quite clearly and I think we are going to go around and around on this...

That there is no seperation between this and that, as the material that makes up This, That and the inbetween is the same stuff

Just vibrating at different level..

All Energy

The seperation that exists is only one that is an illusion yet one that people play into and have got lost in.

Seperation no longer exists once people recognize it was never there to begin with. When people see the illusion for what it is. simply an illusion.

God is moving in form, through form and out of form, not confined to a body to which would lead people to think God is over there and we are over here.

God is either the all in ALL oe nor God at all and simply an object confined, limited and that concept in itself... would make what people believe in not God.., God is either everywhere or nowhere.

God is Life and life is in, upon, around and with us all.. moving in form, through form and out of form