How does faith in God brings us freedom

[JM]

Originally Posted by surrendersacrifice

God unites husband and wife in marriage. Therefore, God is in it. In fact God is the binding force. It can, therefore, never be broken; it can only be rejected by rejecting God.

Well lets put that in the right context shall we...

As I understand where you are coming from you are relaying what has been taught to you concerning what others THINK God wants.

YOU believe god joins people in marriage

Others dont

and I would even submit GOD may differ but of course.. noone will ever be able to prove that other than spouting scripture which that in itself verifies nothing except what a person chooses to agree with.

BIG DIFFERENCE

Now personally myself, I believe God is not seperate from people, so in one sense when a man and women or a women and a women ( im sure that will ruffle some feathers ) join together

God is right there. As they are right there and Where any_thing is.. God is too as God is every_thing

The difference here though is, you have been taught that God has Laid down a law, that cannot be broken and if it is, it is a rejection of God himself / (herself )

It portrays God as a Angry, Jealous, Punishing.... God with Human Hangups and if God doesn't get his ( or her ) way... God will go sit in a corner and pout about it and then later Punish man through rejecting, seperating and ultimately punishing

This is a very primitive view of God that dates back to views that people even had of Gods like Zeus and so forth...

You have a view of marriage is one that is a limited view of God and fearful one... defined by Man, not by God

God is life.

There is no value judgement made by life or by this essense with regard to one experience as to opposed to the other. So one could say loosely that God has no preference in the matter of how things turn out.

Larger than the preference that we have, because we are in fact that which is God experiencing

[surrendersacrifice]

Originally Posted by JM

Well lets put that in the right context shall we...

As I understand where you are coming from you are relaying what has been taught to you concerning what others THINK God wants.

YOU believe god joins people in marriage

Others dont

and I would even submit GOD may differ but of course.. noone will ever be able to prove that other than spouting scripture which that in itself verifies nothing except what a person chooses to agree with.

BIG DIFFERENCE

Now personally myself, I believe God is not seperate from people, so in one sense when a man and women or a women and a women ( im sure that will ruffle some feathers ) join together

God is right there. As they are right there and Where any_thing is.. God is too as God is every_thing

The difference here though is, you have been taught that God has Laid down a law, that cannot be broken and if it is, it is a rejection of God himself / (herself )

It portrays God as a Angry, Jealous, Punishing.... God with Human Hangups and if God doesn't get his ( or her ) way... God will go sit in a corner and pout about it and then later Punish man through rejecting, seperating and ultimately punishing

This is a very primitive view of God that dates back to views that people even had of Gods like Zeus and so forth...

You have a view of marriage is one that is a limited view of God and fearful one... defined by Man, not by God

God is life.

There is no value judgement made by life or by this essense with regard to one experience as to opposed to the other. So one could say loosely that God has no preference in the matter of how things turn out.

Larger than the preference that we have, because we are in fact that which is God experiencing

In order for a couple to form a unit of life they must have physiological union; because, life is physiological. The only function, in which two human beings can have physiological unions, is in reproductive (procreative) physiology. Furthermore, procreative union is only possible between a man and women; and both are essential to complete the cycle of reproductive physiology. Therefore, marriage is only possible between a man and a woman. Furthermore, since the physiological purpose of conjugal union is procreation, in order to make it an act of love the couple must leave their union totally open to procreation.

Conjugal activity involving union of sexual and gastrointestinal organs is unnatural, because, it involves union of organs that are physiologically incompatible and non-complementary. Same sex activity, therefore, is not physiological and does not form a unit of life. It is, therefore, a sexual perversion. It is also a grave disorder, because it uses procreative elements of mind, body and spirit for a perverse purpose. This act is similar to, trying to use a lock to open a lock (instead of using a key). To get involved in such activity, therefore, is harmful to the mind and the spirit. People with tendencies to perform such acts, therefore, need treatment of the mind and spirit.

In marriage, spouses leave their parents and unite with each other (Mark 10:7) to become one flesh (Gen.2: 24). Because, it is a covenant of love, and God is love (1 John4:8), it is God who seals the marriage covenant; and no one can separate what God has joined together (Matt 19:6). In divorce, therefore, this covenant is not broken; it is rejected. Therefore, remarriage after divorce is adultery (Luke 16:18). Furthermore, since God seals this covenant, divorce is rejection of God. God, therefore, hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and is not pleased with the offerings of those who divorce their spouse (Malachi 2: 13-14).

[JM]

Originally Posted by surrendersacrifice

In order for a couple to form a unit of life they must have physiological union; because, life is physiological. The only function, in which two human beings can have physiological unions, is in reproductive (procreative) physiology. Furthermore, procreative union is only possible between a man and women; and both are essential to complete the cycle of reproductive physiology. Therefore, marriage is only possible between a man and a woman. Furthermore, since the physiological purpose of conjugal union is procreation, in order to make it an act of love the couple must leave their union totally open to procreation.

Conjugal activity involving union of sexual and gastrointestinal organs is unnatural, because, it involves union of organs that are physiologically incompatible and non-complementary. Same sex activity, therefore, is not physiological and does not form a unit of life. It is, therefore, a sexual perversion. It is also a grave disorder, because it uses procreative elements of mind, body and spirit for a perverse purpose. This act is similar to, trying to use a lock to open a lock (instead of using a key). To get involved in such activity, therefore, is harmful to the mind and the spirit. People with tendencies to perform such acts, therefore, need treatment of the mind and spirit.

In marriage, spouses leave their parents and unite with each other (Mark 10:7) to become one flesh (Gen.2: 24). Because, it is a covenant of love, and God is love (1 John4:8), it is God who seals the marriage covenant; and no one can separate what God has joined together (Matt 19:6). In divorce, therefore, this covenant is not broken; it is rejected. Therefore, remarriage after divorce is adultery (Luke 16:18). Furthermore, since God seals this covenant, divorce is rejection of God. God, therefore, hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and is not pleased with the offerings of those who divorce their spouse (Malachi 2: 13-14).

Actually not so.. The act of Marrying has nothing to do with sex.. as like sex has nothing to do with the act of marrying

As like brushing your teeth has anything to do with being Born

Its just an option, that people enjoy doing for pleasure alone and at the same time use to create more people

The idea you have got about Marriage being for creating more people is a Religious one, not validated by anyone ( including God ) except people who choose to believe in their own writings and their own one in a million views about what God thinks.

Anyone can marry and people do

Your quoting of scripture has about as much validation in this world as me quoting a MILLS and BOON romance novel or a Harry potter Book... and saying God has given us the thumbs up about it all...

Honestly surrender go back and read all the posts mate.. as I dont fancy going over the same stuff..

You can quote scripture all day long, all it does it demonstrte what YOU believe and live by not what is a requirement for ALL the world

Divorce is allowed by God
Gay Marriage is allowed by God

Actually a crap load of stuff is allowed by God..

if it wasnt.. God would step in and stop it

But God doesnt.

Why is that?

Because We ( humanity ) and God are not Seperate and never have been...as I have said before. God is life and Life has no preference more than what we do. Its one and the same.

Now.. that is not to say that our actions in this life have no consequences. Every action has a consequence

But the consequence is experienced in this life.

God doesnt provide punishing consequences, our actions do

This is the power of choice God has given humanity to Experience.

You cannot hand a Sharp Knife to a 5 year old child and a Ball and then step back and wait till Harm has been done and punish the child for using that which you had given him. Punishment enough would be the consequence of their own actions. I.e Stabbing themself, or stabbing another.

The consequences are learned through life and the parent would be held resonsible for providing a knife.

A child can be trained without Punishment, as a Dog can.. yet somewhere... people got the idea God COULDNT do it with humanity unless Punishment and Fear was used as a tool to get people to do what God wanted.

If the person is punished for choosing incorrectly, then it was never Free choice to begin with.

If the person chooses God out of Fear of being punished then it was never Love to begin with

It was all Conditional that is not Love.

As Love is Unconditional.....

Having punishment and fear as the only means to get people to do as God wants, would create a group of people who are following out of Requirement and Condition and not out of Love.

This is called Dictatorship
This is the True Robot

Oh but you may say.. God gives us it, but tells us through scripture what to do and what not to do

Actually.... Jesus never asked anyone to write anything down. So the importance of Scripture is one that religion has created not Jesus.



So it is with choice.... It can be a Knife or a Ball... either one provides a Consequence in this life of its own cause

But picking the wrong one is nothing something God is going to punish after death.. as What would God have to Gain? that God has not already Got

AS God allowed Choice, and if you believe God is seperate then God Also Stood by and watched and did nothing when people made so called Wrong choices..... and if God stood by.. was it because his hands were tied?

That would make God not powerful

But then if you say God is powerful but is not willing.. Then that would make God evil

You see the idea of God punishing mankind for using the very tool of Choice ALLOWED by God is one that stems out of a teaching of God Needing

If you say, God must, God needs..

Then the God of the bible is not All Powerful and not everything

As...

God needs for nothing, wants for nothing

It is humanity that has defined a God of Punishment, a God of need, a God that has an Agenda.