Who is Jesus?

[surrendersacrifice]

Who is Jesus?
In faith we know that Jesus is God (John 8:58) in human form; because in Him we see the Spirit of God-which is pure love. He expressed His love by sacrificing His life, in order to compensate for the sins (Matthew 26:28) we committed against Him. He is the love which sends our inner being into ecstasy, the compassion that the eyes of a desperately needy person generates in us, and the mercy and forgiveness we show towards those who hurt us. We can accept Him and find peace by living His life. We can live His life by accepting Him as the only desire of our heart.

[JM]

Originally Posted by surrendersacrifice

Who is Jesus?
In faith we know that Jesus is God (John 8:58) in human form; because in Him we see the Spirit of God-which is pure love. He expressed His love by sacrificing His life, in order to compensate for the sins (Matthew 26:28) we committed against Him. He is the love which sends our inner being into ecstasy, the compassion that the eyes of a desperately needy person generates in us, and the mercy and forgiveness we show towards those who hurt us. We can accept Him and find peace by living His life. We can live His life by accepting Him as the only desire of our heart.

well lets keep it balanced here.... by what you have been taught you DECIDE that jesus is God, because you have read about him and you think you have experienced him specifically, yet as there is nothing to which you can determine for sure that its him, its a choice alone.

Jesus is to many a number of things to many people some of which are, and all are which are valid statements to make

Some say

1. Son of God
2. A Prophet
3. Enlightened person
4. A teacher
5. Guy in the wrong place at the wrong time
6. guy in the right place at the right time
7. Not real
8. Misunderstood
9. Misinterpretated
and the list goes on and on........

The only thing a person can do is choice what they believe and stick with that.. but the moment people try to make their view and understanding valid for everyone else, they will need to come up with more proof beyond a book that even scholars disagree on.

[Mycernius]

As Douglas Adams mentions in The Hitch-Hikers Guide To The Galaxy
" one man who was nailed to a tree for saying wouldn't it be good to be nice to everyone for a change"

[JM]

The only one that can with ABSOLUTION verify it is.. JESUS himself and so far I have not seen him wishing to verify it

So we will remain with 2000 years of difference and confusion.

Also.. It honestly shouldnt matter.. as... if people living today who were not around when Jesus was around are now meant to decide otherwise they are threatened with some place of fire..

that dont sound like anyone I would want to follow.

It sounds like a page out of a book by saddum hussein...

Dictatorship, Conditional

Not Unconditional Love.

[Mycernius]

Originally Posted by dattaswami

Jesus was the human incarnation of God who came to uplift the human souls through His preachings.

Evidence please. He was hardly the first preacher or the last. What about Muhammad or Bahá'u'lláh? The Sikh Gurus or Joseph Smith?

This entire universe formed from the imagination of God (Heavenly Father). Thus for God this universe is dream only. Thus God is only truly existing or THE TRUTH.

Again, where is your evidence, or is this some new age rubbish that you have just pulled out of a hat?

Such God is unimaginable and beyond human logic.

Typical theistic cliche. Oh for an original thought.

But He gives His presence to us by coming in human form to His dream, by entering the most suitable soul (Son of God) existing in the earth. Thus who ever see Son of God has seen the original God. Whoever hear Son of God has hear the Father in heaven. Lord also comes in human form to save 'His People' from their sins. It is possible only when He comes in human form.

A lot of words saying exactly.....nothing.

He takes the sins of His deserving devotees upon Him the same way other wise the soul would have suffered; and releases the soul. In this process the Son of God actually suffers to protect the justice.

Sin wouldn't exist except your precious little sky daddy went and created it.
So your god creates sin, lets it infect us, like a virus, and then cures us. Sounds like some malevolent vivisectionists.

[dattaswami]

Originally Posted by Mycernius

Evidence please. He was hardly the first preacher or the last. What about Muhammad or Bahá'u'lláh? The Sikh Gurus or Joseph Smith?


Again, where is your evidence, or is this some new age rubbish that you have just pulled out of a hat?


Typical theistic cliche. Oh for an original thought.


A lot of words saying exactly.....nothing.



Sin wouldn't exist except your precious little sky daddy went and created it.
So your god creates sin, lets it infect us, like a virus, and then cures us. Sounds like some malevolent vivisectionists.

I never told that Jesus was the last Human incarnation. In fact Lord comes in human form in every human generation based on the requirement. Thus there are numerous human incarnations who came to this world.

[dattaswami]

Originally Posted by Mycernius

Sin wouldn't exist except your precious little sky daddy went and created it.
So your god creates sin, lets it infect us, like a virus, and then cures us. Sounds like some malevolent vivisectionists.

A soul is beaten in the hell and the servants of Yama say “why have you done this deed which is not liked by God?” They will not say “why have you done this sin?” Anything that is not liked by God is a sin. By itself a sin is not a sin, because it is a feeling, which is a wave of awareness and is completely unreal. Hurting any soul, especially a believer in God is the basis of sin according to God. Punishment with an attitude to change the soul is exempted from this concept. There should be no trace of revenge in punishment. If the soul is realized and changed, do not think of revenge. Jesus told that if you punish others for their sins, God shall punish you also for your sins. Punishment of a student by a teacher is not a sin, because it is for his change and upliftment only. The same aim exists when God punishes the souls.

The Lord says in the Gita that the divine Knowledge alone pleases Him (Jnaya Yajnena…). He says that it is greater than Svadhya yajna and Dravya yajna. Svadhyaya yajna means simple recitation of hymns without any enquiry into their meaning. Dravya yajna means sacrifice of wealth. But the Gita praises that sacrifice of wealth or fruits of work (Karmaphalatyaga ...) is highest (Dhyanat Karmaphalatyagah…). There is no clash here. Dravya yajna represents sacrifice of wealth to undeserving or improper receiver or putting wealth in fire which is foolishness as stated by Kapila in Bhagavatam. Donating to temples based on the statues is climax of foolishness because the priests and management are not even the scholars of the Vedas and Shastras.

The priest is for his livelihood like a labourer and the management spends for unnecessary items and wastes the wealth due to lack of complete spiritual knowledge. The Government is taking that wealth and is using for social services, which are to be done by the public revenues only. The statue is not enjoying even an iota of your wealth. The temple should be a place of propagation of divine knowledge and devotion. The scholars and devotees should be maintained by such donated wealth to prorogate about God. But theses temples have become business-centers to solve the problems of devotees. Ofcourse, it is inevitable in the beginning stage (Sarvarambhahi…Gita) but the propagation of right divine knowledge should be the main program of temples, which should be run by scholars only.

[Mycernius]

Originally Posted by dattaswami

wrote nothing of significant value...

Instead of giving a load of mystical crap, how about actually answering the question.
You really like to mix and match your myths don't you? Any dead religion myths within your rather strange world?

[dattaswami]

Originally Posted by Mycernius

Evidence please. He was hardly the first preacher or the last. What about Muhammad or Bahá'u'lláh? The Sikh Gurus or Joseph Smith?


Again, where is your evidence, or is this some new age rubbish that you have just pulled out of a hat?


Typical theistic cliche. Oh for an original thought.


A lot of words saying exactly.....nothing.



Sin wouldn't exist except your precious little sky daddy went and created it.
So your god creates sin, lets it infect us, like a virus, and then cures us. Sounds like some malevolent vivisectionists.

If sins does not exists then why all the previous preachers who came to this world told not to sin?

[dattaswami]

Originally Posted by Mycernius

As Douglas Adams mentions in The Hitch-Hikers Guide To The Galaxy
" one man who was nailed to a tree for saying wouldn't it be good to be nice to everyone for a change"

Are you an atheist, theist, bhudhist? ....