God is able to perfect that which concerns His Created People~

[Mycernius]

Originally Posted by The servant

Hi Dave

If people could only accept a fraction of the magnitude of God and the gifts bestowed upon us every second, they would realise that if there was no God there would be no us!

Peace and Light

Peter

Okay then.
Which god? There are several thousand to choose from.
Why your God?
Why your particular type of christianity? There are appox 34 000 different denominations of your faith.
Where is the evidence?
What made God? In fact what made gods?
Your thoughts, your evidence, your ideas, not the scribbling of bronze age people who didn't even know that the Earth was a glode and went around the sun. I'm sure if the god speaking to them knew this, it would have told them.

[The servant]

Originally Posted by Mycernius

Okay then.
Which god? There are several thousand to choose from.
Why your God?
Why your particular type of christianity? There are appox 34 000 different denominations of your faith.
Where is the evidence?
What made God? In fact what made gods?
Your thoughts, your evidence, your ideas, not the scribbling of bronze age people who didn't even know that the Earth was a glode and went around the sun. I'm sure if the god speaking to them knew this, it would have told them.

Originally Posted by Mycernius

Okay then.
Which god? There are several thousand to choose from.

There is only One God!

Originally Posted by Mycernius

Why your God?

Because He is the only One!

Originally Posted by Mycernius

Why your particular type of christianity? There are appox 34 000 different denominations of your faith.

Because my path is to try to follow the teachings of Jesus the way He intended us to!

Originally Posted by Mycernius

Where is the evidence?

For those who do not believe there are no words!
For those who do believe no words are necessary!

Originally Posted by Mycernius

What made God?

God has always been!

Originally Posted by Mycernius

In fact what made gods?

Intellect!

Originally Posted by Mycernius

Your thoughts, your evidence, your ideas, not the scribbling of bronze age people who didn't even know that the Earth was a glode and went around the sun. I'm sure if the god speaking to them knew this, it would have told them.

Perhaps they did not listen, or were not ready to be told!

Regards Peter

[friendly hardline atheist]

Hello everyone,

If anyone wanted a demonstration of blind, unreasoned faith, then I think Peters (The Servant) post was a good one to look at. When asked by Mycernius why his god, not one of the many thousands of others, Peter replied

Originally Posted by The servant

There is only One God!

Because He is the only One!

Oh, well, that so....so.....well reasoned. I'm sure no adherent of any other religion could match that, i.e. repeating the empty shout but then referring to their god as the only one. No I'm sure you and your fellow christians are the only ones who can say that.
And capitals in the post, 'One God'. Just like Someday did some time ago when very short on arguments. What is it that makes a certain group of believers think that capital letters are a valid substitute for reasoned arguments?
To be fair to Peter, he does go well beyond capital letters to build his arguments. To suggest that that was all there was his post would not be doing him justice. After all, he made extensive use of exclamation marks to reason his points too. Each and every sentence (or one-word response) was ended by an exclamation mark. I'm sure we're all convinced that that makes him right, right?

And when asked why his particular sub-flavour of faith, we got

Originally Posted by The servant

Because my path is to try to follow the teachings of Jesus the way He intended us to!

Again I'm sure no other denomination ever thought of saying that about themselves!

And on the request for evidence, the answer was

Originally Posted by The servant

For those who do not believe there are no words!
For those who do believe no words are necessary!

In terms of evidence that equates to exactly zero. At least, that's what I thought initially. But then realised I had forgotten something very important: I had not taken the exclamation marks into account!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They certainly make his arguments on this issue at least ten times stronger. Maybe a hundred or a thousand times stronger even. So I re-evaluated. I found that a thousand times the weight of my inital evaluation of his arguments (zero) still equals zero.

But then the real piece de resistance. Since science can only explain the universe for the last 13-14 billion years, and things are assumed to have had a beginning, the believers will immediately claim their hollow victory in the form of a 'Goddunnit'. Since it must have started somewhere, right? But ask where god came from, and that all of a sudden isn't the case anymore:

Originally Posted by The servant

God has always been!

And believe it or not, that was followed by Peter mentioning intellect (with an exclamation mark attached of course). Barf.

Peter

[Dave Robb]

Firstly, Happy Easter everyone, He is Risen!

Secondly, tell me is atheism classed as a religion or not?

Thirdly, FHA you forgot the one winning argument that we as Christians use, and this always wins every argument, "We believe by Faith"

[The servant]

Originally Posted by friendly hardline atheist

Hello everyone,

If anyone wanted a demonstration of blind, unreasoned faith, then I think Peters (The Servant) post was a good one to look at. When asked by Mycernius why his god, not one of the many thousands of others, Peter replied



Oh, well, that so....so.....well reasoned. I'm sure no adherent of any other religion could match that, i.e. repeating the empty shout but then referring to their god as the only one. No I'm sure you and your fellow christians are the only ones who can say that.
And capitals in the post, 'One God'. Just like Someday did some time ago when very short on arguments. What is it that makes a certain group of believers think that capital letters are a valid substitute for reasoned arguments?
To be fair to Peter, he does go well beyond capital letters to build his arguments. To suggest that that was all there was his post would not be doing him justice. After all, he made extensive use of exclamation marks to reason his points too. Each and every sentence (or one-word response) was ended by an exclamation mark. I'm sure we're all convinced that that makes him right, right?

And when asked why his particular sub-flavour of faith, we got



Again I'm sure no other denomination ever thought of saying that about themselves!

And on the request for evidence, the answer was



In terms of evidence that equates to exactly zero. At least, that's what I thought initially. But then realised I had forgotten something very important: I had not taken the exclamation marks into account!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They certainly make his arguments on this issue at least ten times stronger. Maybe a hundred or a thousand times stronger even. So I re-evaluated. I found that a thousand times the weight of my inital evaluation of his arguments (zero) still equals zero.

But then the real piece de resistance. Since science can only explain the universe for the last 13-14 billion years, and things are assumed to have had a beginning, the believers will immediately claim their hollow victory in the form of a 'Goddunnit'. Since it must have started somewhere, right? But ask where god came from, and that all of a sudden isn't the case anymore:



And believe it or not, that was followed by Peter mentioning intellect (with an exclamation mark attached of course). Barf.

Peter

The trouble here is the recognition of things and it seems the place that they belong in!

Intellect is the dominant feature amongst atheist it seems, that which is earthly and returns to the earth on death!
Much of what is earthly (including the intellect) cannot recognise what is spiritual.

So it seems it fights to defend itself, as it is not capable of understanding what others can accept, and for them becomes faith, and what the intellect cannot understand it denies or calls it a theory when it cannot explain something.

Here also we have the problem with the sciences, the separation between mankind and science; I have said before that the knowledge of God does not come out of universities.

Because it cannot be seen under the microscope or from, a test tube it is not accepted, but science can only shows and explains to us what God has already given us.

And on and on and on!
To teach a disbeliever, who has the barriers up against any thing they are unable to understand, is like trying to teach a two year old algebra!

Peter

[Gray]

Originally Posted by Dave Robb

Secondly, tell me is atheism classed as a religion or not?

Thirdly, FHA you forgot the one winning argument that we as Christians use, and this always wins every argument, "We believe by Faith"

I'm stealing someone else's saying, but...
"Atheism is a religion, like not collecting stamps is a hobby"

"We believe by Faith" doesn't so much win an argument, as prevent it from continuing with any sort of purpose.

[The servant]

Originally Posted by Gray

I'm stealing someone else's saying, but...
"Atheism is a religion, like not collecting stamps is a hobby"

"We believe by Faith" doesn't so much win an argument, as prevent it from continuing with any sort of purpose.

I am surprised but indirectly you have hit it on the nail, an atheist does not know the meaning of life here!

Peter

[Commodore Angryy]

The meaning of life: Survive, and breed.
With the occasional hedonistic thought of having as much fun while doing it.

Hey, at least atheists can agree on our purpose

[Mycernius]

Originally Posted by The servant

There is only One God!

Because He is the only One!

Prove it. It is like arguing with a five year old. Show me that Amun-Re doesn't exist, or for that matter Odin, Zeus, Brahma, Hathor, Ganesh, Izanami, Gaia, Izquitecalt, Ea, Il (Who, BTW, YHWH originates from, who became your favoured deity), etc. I've got a whole book on different gods and goddesses. As I said, pick one. Not only that your own faith likes to turn your average Joe Bloggs into semi-divine gods. You call them saints. Your pantheon is slowly filling up.

Because my path is to try to follow the teachings of Jesus the way He intended us to!

All well and good, which ones? All of them, or those you cherry pick?

For those who do not believe there are no words!
For those who do believe no words are necessary!

In other words you wish to wallow in ignorance.

God has always been!

If you are going to use this pathetic attempt then I will say the universe has always been. It is stupid statement trolled out by no end of theists, and I use the word trolled on purpose.

Intellect!

Whose? Humans? Therefore, by using your own words God is a creation of human intellect? Therefore man created God, not God created man.

Perhaps they did not listen, or were not ready to be told!

We are listening and realise it holds as much water as Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism, Taoism. Do you listen to the followers and preachers of these religions? I think not.

In other words you have nothing to back your idea of a one god up. Your arguments are empty. Go hang your brain out to dry, I think it is done now.
Don't worry Amun-Re can be forgiving

Originally Posted by Dave Robb

Firstly, Happy Easter everyone, He is Risen!

Happy Easter, We had a white one first thing this morning. As for he has risen. Couldn't he pick a specific date? Christmas manages it. Just shows how the covering up of a pagan festival can cause problems for the invasive faith

Secondly, tell me is atheism classed as a religion or not?

No, it is like saying bald is a hair colour.

Thirdly, FHA you forgot the one winning argument that we as Christians use, and this always wins every argument, "We believe by Faith"

That is not a winning argument. It is picking ignorance and remaining there. A get out of debate card. Fortunately some thesists don't like this card and will debate in an intelluectual discussion. The Servant like to play this card as often as possible.

[The servant]

Originally Posted by Mycernius

In other words you wish to wallow in ignorance.


That is not a winning argument. It is picking ignorance and remaining there. A get out of debate card. Fortunately some thesists don't like this card and will debate in an intelluectual discussion. The Servant like to play this card as often as possible.

There are only two types in Creation, unconscious and conscious, the unconscious strive to become conscious.
It is obvious to me at least you are striving for the knowledge to become conscious, which is why you come here.
You are amongst many here who are more conscious than you’re self.

Peter