God and Relativity

[Someday]

It really bothers me when people try to paint the Bible as a science book. In doing so, they have to twist the meanings of some passages and thereby lose the actual value of those passages. It also shows a certain desperation to cling to absolute literal interpretations that in my humble opinion were not intended by the authors. Just like any parable, the greatest value of the Genesis stories are not in their historical aspects as much as it is in the overall meaning of the stories. The fact that some of them may be historically true (or untrue) is utterly beside the point.

The message of 2Peter 3:8 is not what is claimed in this post about science at all. The message of this passage when taken in context to the surrounding text is that God's clock does not run by our timepieces. It's about patience and perseverance. It's all about the eternity of God and shortness of human life and the impatience of human expectations.

Blessings

[Mycernius]

The problem is that the vocal minority of literalists are making more and more noise about all the bible being a literal truth. It is drowning out the majority of christians who accept that Adam and Eve, the flood, Job are just moralistic stories. The bible does contain some historical truths, such as the Kings and Judges, although they are written from a Jewish point of view, but the problem is seperating them.
You look on YouTube and on the more extreme christian sites the literalists are starting to paint all christians with the same brush due to their views. Some are becoming minor internet celebrities (VenomfangX being one of the more better known ones) and the only people who seem to be trying to silence these idiots are agnostics or atheists. I see very few christians or other theists trying to shut these idiots up and I do not know why?. Eventually they will manage to make all christians look like uneducated brainwashed idiots the same way extremist Muslims have made the world think all of them as terrorists.

[JM]

Originally Posted by Mycernius

The problem is that the vocal minority of literalists are making more and more noise about all the bible being a literal truth. It is drowning out the majority of christians who accept that Adam and Eve, the flood, Job are just moralistic stories. The bible does contain some historical truths, such as the Kings and Judges, although they are written from a Jewish point of view, but the problem is seperating them.
You look on YouTube and on the more extreme christian sites the literalists are starting to paint all christians with the same brush due to their views. Some are becoming minor internet celebrities (VenomfangX being one of the more better known ones) and the only people who seem to be trying to silence these idiots are agnostics or atheists. I see very few christians or other theists trying to shut these idiots up and I do not know why?. Eventually they will manage to make all christians look like uneducated brainwashed idiots the same way extremist Muslims have made the world think all of them as terrorists.

Exactly, its not a case of saying the bible is totally false, in as much as its not a case of saying the koran or other teachers are totally false.

It is recognizing that in all things, there is both.. distinguishing what is true when it comes to matters of God and the unseen

Will Always remain only Individual choice, the only want that can substantiate it.. is God

And as long as that passes through mans lips, fingers and actions it will always been debated, agreed, disagreed upon.

[JM]

Originally Posted by Someday

It really bothers me when people try to paint the Bible as a science book. In doing so, they have to twist the meanings of some passages and thereby lose the actual value of those passages. It also shows a certain desperation to cling to absolute literal interpretations that in my humble opinion were not intended by the authors. Just like any parable, the greatest value of the Genesis stories are not in their historical aspects as much as it is in the overall meaning of the stories. The fact that some of them may be historically true (or untrue) is utterly beside the point.

The message of 2Peter 3:8 is not what is claimed in this post about science at all. The message of this passage when taken in context to the surrounding text is that God's clock does not run by our timepieces. It's about patience and perseverance. It's all about the eternity of God and shortness of human life and the impatience of human expectations.

Blessings

Human life is Gods life,

Life is not the body, life is that which is eternal and always have been, spirit

Our life is Gods life, one in the same, yet christianity has divided it up as US and God, God and US which plays nicely into the story of seperation, the need for believe, the need that God has ..... all of which contradict the very concept of ' God '

[Brad]

Originally Posted by amithe1

How can an ancient Bible knows about time dilation and the speed of light even before Einsteins theory of Relativity???

I just came across this.

amithe1, you're either trying to pull a fast one or you have a very poor grasp of maths.

Even a cursory run through the equations that you give indicate that the bigger the number on the left of the original equation (i.e. 1000 years converted to days) the closer the result gets to to v.

At one point you could have this:

v² = 1- (1/365250)² x c²

Now as you can see, the large number squared (days in one thousand years)is divided into 1 to give an incredibly small figure, which is then subtracted from 1 to give a figure very close indeed to 1. The higher the number of days, the closer to 1 that part of the equation becomes. So v gets closer to c as the number of days increases.

Any large discrepancy (hours to years, minutes to millenium) will give the same result. QED.

I'd take your equations back to whoever gave them to you and slap him. He made you look like an idiot.